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Jeff: Hello and welcome to the Huntsman World Senior Games Active Life. My name is Jeff Harding and I'm filling in for Kyle Case, whose out of the country right now. Joining me in studio is Derek Campbell. Derek, how are you today?

Derek: I'm fantastic Jeffery. How are you?

Jeff: I'm fine. You are looking well.

Derek: Well thank you.

Jeff: You've got a glint in your eye and a smile on your face. What more could be asked?

Derek: Well, I'm here so-

Jeff: Well, that could be asked too. Hey Derek, you know, there's been a lot of exercise fads throughout the generations and they was a website called 24/7 Wall St. that listed all the exercise fads over the last 60 years.

Derek: All of them.

Jeff: All of them.

Derek: Yeah. It sounds like a novel or [crosstalk 00:00:51]

Jeff: Or excuse me. The top one for each year over the last 60 years.

Derek: Oh, okay.

Jeff: So I thought it would be fun to look back at the '50s and '60s that they listed in and just see what was popular back then.

Derek: Yeah. Sounds good.

Jeff: So back in 1956, roller derby was the exercise fad.

Derek: That's awesome.

Jeff: Everybody was doing roller derby. In 1957, the Universal Gym Machines, Joe Weider's machines came out and everybody wanted to use the Universal Gym.

Derek: Wow. I'm not too familiar with Joe Weider, but the universal machine.

Jeff: Oh, you're not. I thought that would be a name everybody would recognize.

Derek: I think I have some gloves with Weider on them.

Jeff: Oh, okay. In 1958, it was the Hula Hoop.

Derek: Wow.

Jeff: In 1959, it was the Jack LaLanne Show and what's funny is, I remember watching my mom exercise to Jack LaLanne on TV as a little boy.

Derek: Wow. I've never heard of Jack LaLanne.

Jeff: You've never heard of Jac ... Oh my gosh, talk about generation gap. Okay.

Derek: I know. There's a gap, Jeff. I know, just let it be.

Jeff: Okay. So in 1960, it was correspondence muscle courses. In the back of the comic books, you'd send away for a course that would turn you into a muscle man like Arnold Schwarzenegger. You've heard of Arnold, right?

Derek: Yes.

Jeff: Okay. I was getting worried there.

Derek: I'll be back.

Jeff: And then in 1961, it was Debbie Drake's Easy Way to a Perfect Figure and Glowing Health book. That was something that I was not familiar with. I don't remember that one, but that was the big thing in 1961.

Jeff: 1962, I actually remember when this came out. The Presidential Physical Fitness Program Championed by John Kennedy. I remember when that one came out and all the school's were doing it, in the schools and you got it through the schools. I remember seeing commercials on the TV for that.

Derek: Yeah. I remember having a presidential fitness program when I was elementary.

Jeff: Well yeah. It kept going. It didn't go away, but that was when it started.

Derek: Yeah. Yeah. That's a great idea.

Jeff: Yeah. The next one is The Royal Canadian Air Force Exercise Plan. I have no idea what that is. In 1964, it was calisthenics or exercising without using any kind of machine, just your body to do the exercise. In 1965, it was the stationary bike.

Derek: Right on.

Jeff: In 1966, I actually remember this, it was the sauna suit. You'd put on these suits and they'd make you sweat. I remember seeing TV shows and commercials for the sauna suit.

Derek: Sounds perfect for wrestlers.

Jeff: Yes. Well yes, they would really like that. In 1967, it was the vibrating belt. They'd stand there and you know, you've seen the movies, where'd it would shake their back sides and there'd be lots of jiggle. So that was from 1967.

Jeff: In 1968, it was the Trim Twist, which was a board on a swivel thing. So The Twist has been popular for a few years. So they came up with an exercise. So you just stand on it and you do a twist. Chubby Checkers would've been proud of it.

Derek: Everybody shake it, baby.

Jeff: That's right.

Derek: Yep.

Jeff: In 1968, or excuse me, 1969, it was stretch classes. That was the big fitness craze in 1968.

Derek: It sounds kind of funny. This sounds more comical than it does fitness. Looking at it from now.

Jeff: Right. I mean as I looked ... I think in 19 ... Or excuse me, in 2017, it was cross training, was the big fitness craze.

Derek: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Jeff: So it's funny how we've gone from a roller derby to cross training for fitness crazes.

Derek: Yeah, it's interesting. I'm kind of curious when things shift from a fad into being actually normal.

Jeff: Or cultural.

Derek: Yeah, I mean, really, is fitness a fad or is fitness just a normal thing now? Is it part of the culture and we do it? I think we're still growing in that area.

Jeff: Oh, I think we are, but I think there are things that we do, that are a fad in the fitness endeavor.

Derek: Yeah. Cross training has been a big one and it still is.

Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. Hula Hoops are still out there, but now they're considered a game rather than a fitness craze. It's just something you get when the kids are out doing it, because I certainly can't do a Hula Hoop. It just goes right down to my feet.

Jeff: So yeah, and speaking of fitness and not of course fads, but we have a personal trainer out of California that's joining us by phone today. Her name is Vanessa Bogenholm. How are you Vanessa?

Vanessa: I'm great guys. Thanks for having me.

Jeff: Do you remember having any of those fitness crazes from the '50s and '60s?

Vanessa: Well I'm kind of upset, because how could he not know Jack LaLanne?

Jeff: I told you, he's young.

Vanessa: That's crazy right? I mean, I don't think I've felt so old in the last couple of years until he said that and I thought, "Really, that's really where we all started." Right?

Jeff: Yeah.

Vanessa: I mean, everybody's mother had a chair from the kitchen table, right?

Jeff: Right. Right.

Vanessa: And she would lean on it and do her exercises like Jack LaLanne.

Jeff: In her stirrup pants. In her stirrup pants.

Derek: Well you can just count my ignorant and then it'll make you guys feel better right? I'm just a sheltered child.

Vanessa: Okay.

Jeff: So Vanessa, you're a personal trainer. Have you always been active? Is this something that's always been a part of your life? Physical activity?

Vanessa: No. In fact, I was an extremely obese child.

Jeff: Wow.

Vanessa: I was about 200 pounds as a 13 year old.

Jeff: Wow.

Vanessa: And that presidential fitness test you talked about was literally, probably the worst days of my school years.

Jeff: I believe it. I believe it.

Vanessa: One of them was the chin-ups. If you were a 200 pound, 13 year old girl, the last thing you could do was a chin-up, right?

Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.

Vanessa: It was a real humiliation factor for me at that time. I just didn't grow up in an athletic family, you know, hang out, obviously with athletic people. So, no, I was not athletic at all and preferred to eat M&M's and read books, honestly, as a child.

Jeff: That's crazy. Well, I kind of like that still, but I try to get some other stuff in with in. You know, I was, at 13 years old, I was six feet tall, weighed 150 pounds, and I could barely do a chin-up either. So, I just want you to know, you we're alone back in those days.

Vanessa: Okay.

Derek: Well I feel like we need to know a little bit more about Vanessa.

Jeff: Okay.

Derek: She's a personal trainer and she's much like most of us at the young age, but what about you? Who are you and where do you come from? Tell us a little bit about yourself Vanessa, because I don't know you very well yet.

Vanessa: Sure. So when I was a child, I was very heavy. I grew up in a very small town in California, Santa Maria, at that time was only 20,000 people. If you wanted to be someone in high school, you played basketball in that town. It was a basketball town and my mom really wanted me to play basketball.

Vanessa: So, in the summer before high school, I went to the summer camp for the Catholic high school I would go to and the nicest coach ever, literally, the nicest coach ever, he looked at me and he said ... You know, here I was, I had no vertical jump, I could not sprint, obviously, and he said, "Vanessa, you probably want to get fit before school starts." That's all he said, there was no negativity, there was no condensation, nothing.

Jeff: That's amazing.

Vanessa: I had from 1972 on, Frank Schroeder was my hero and-

Jeff: The Frank Schroeder?

Vanessa: So my solution, yes, was to run.

Jeff: Wow. Yeah.

Vanessa: So I went to the library and I got everything I could on running and went home that night and read all this stuff. I was already, actually, working at this time and so I went to what was a Foot Locker back then and got a pair of $19.00 Nike's to run in.

Jeff: Which was a lot of money back then for people that don't know. That was a lot of money back then to spend on shoes. Yeah.

Vanessa: It was huge. I went out the door at five o'clock in the morning and ran to the corner, which is literally 27 steps from the house I grew up in to the corner.

Jeff: Mm-hmm (affirmative)

Vanessa: And sat down and cried because I couldn't do it. I was in shock. So as I was crying on the walk home and my mother asked why I was outside when she was leaving for work at six o'clock in the morning, I changed my mind and I decided to try it again. And I did, and this time I said, "Just do two more steps." And that became, literally, my mantra every morning that I got up. Until, you know, I grew up in a small area so county fairs were a big deal.

Jeff: Right.

Vanessa: And by the time the end of July rolled around, we had our county fair, and at our county fair, was a ten mile race from Guadalupe to Santa Maria. I ran that race. Now you have to imagine, this is 1980. There were no women runners. Like, women road racers are non-existent.

Jeff: No there're not. Mm-hmm (affirmative)

Vanessa: And every guy was like, "Good Job. You're doing great. You look fantastic."

Vanessa: By the time I started high school, I had dropped 60 pounds and my goal was to do a marathon. Now, the most interesting thing about this story though, is that I used to write letters, because of course, we didn't have computers back then and I would write letters to Frank Schroeder all the time and say, "I lost this weight. I'm gonna run a marathon. Like, you're my hero. I can't believe we boycotted the Olympics."

Vanessa: I would like write these letters to him and so lots of years go by. He's actually working at a marathon that I go to.

Jeff: Oh wow.

Vanessa: And I walk up and I go, "Hi, I'm Vanessa Bogenholm." And he just burst out in tears. And he goes, "I have those letters. You wrote me like every two weeks."

Jeff: That's amazing.

Vanessa: It was like one of these magical moments that I went, "Wow." Right? That guy changed my life and I've worked for him a couple times during clinics and stuff. Just the inspiration, he did two generations to get out and run. Right? I mean, it was phenomenal.

Jeff: And for the listeners out there may be skewing a little bit younger, we should probably let them know that Frank Schroeder was an Olympian. A great distance runner, marathoner. I remember watching him run as a young man and what an amazing runner.

Vanessa: Mm-hmm (affirmative) Yes. You know, here was this really over weight child from a town he would never have anything to do with, he wasn't making any money off of me, obviously, and he was polite and he would send me back little letters and say, "Got your letter. Keep running. Glad to hear you're gonna run a marathon." Right?

Jeff: Oh wow.

Vanessa: I'd be like, "Wow. Frank Schroeder, an olympian, wrote me back." Right?

Jeff: Yeah. That's amazing.

Vanessa: Now we have Twitter.

Jeff: You know, but my heart is swelling just thinking about what that would have meant to a young girl like you, at that time, to have somebody of his stature take notice and take the time to respond to you.

Vanessa: You know, and I also think, as we've moved forward and sometimes backward as women in this country. Back then, it was an oddity to watch a young girl running down the road for miles every day and I had an 11 mile route that I did in my hometown. Every person who had like an automotive shop or a real estate thing, they would wave to me, because I did it at the same time every day. Right?

Jeff: Sure.

Vanessa: It was an unusual thing, unlike today, that we go to races and there's 50% women, if not more, than men, but it's very welcome. It was very different back then. I mean, we didn't even get the marathon in the Olympics until 1984.

Jeff: For the women, yeah.

Vanessa: So I think people don't realize how unusual that was. Because I was an idiot and ran 120 miles a week, as a teenager, I torn my achilles tendon as a senior in high school.

Jeff: Ouch.

Vanessa: Yeah. So, that kind of put a damper on my college scholarship. You know, life went on and years and years go on. I was a pretty high level tennis player, still am, and had done some other sports. Had been an equestrian for a number of years, but never really thought I could run well again. Like I'd go out and do a couple miles.

Jeff: Oh yeah.

Vanessa: I also had a broken pelvis from a very bad car accident and really never-

Jeff: And those are both things that you use when you're running, your pelvis and achilles tendon are both important factors in running.

Vanessa: And I never really thought that I could marathon again, but you know the funniest things is I won a marathon when I was 16. 16. 1985 or whatever, '82, I guess. '82. And I still have that T-shirt right? From that marathon.

Jeff: Oh my goodness. That's impressive. Oh wow, that's great.

Vanessa: And that's really funny right? Like people that would come to my house and go, "Why do you have this T-shirt on the wall?" "Well that's the only marathon I've ever won." Right? I was a child and it was my biggest dream and I thought I was gonna to go to the Olympics one of these days. You know, to get to run marathons again, is like the most priceless thing to me. I'll be honest with you, I've won tennis tournaments you know, and done 10K's and won my age group, but just completing a marathon for me is just the thing.

Jeff: Now I do have to tell you that you used the term "get to run." Most of us would use the term "have to run" or "obligated to run."

Derek: You're going to run? On purpose? 26 miles?

Vanessa: That is so funny, because most of my friends that live in the area that I live in now, will say, "We see you running and you look so ridiculously happy." And I'll go, "I know, even if I'm in pain, I'm kind of happy. It's kind of silly." I have to admit that it really is a joy for me to move my body. I've won weight lifting competitions and whatever it is, it's all a joy to me, that I can actually make my body do these things which [crosstalk 00:14:29]

Jeff: Well if I could make my body do it, I think that would be a joy for me as well. If you're just joining us, you're listening to the Huntsman World Senior Games Active Life on 1450 AM St. George News Radio.

Jeff: We're talking with Vanessa Bogenholm from California, who is an accomplished athlete, as well as a personal trainer. We've talked a little bit about your athletic progress, should we move on to your personal training?

Vanessa: Sure. You know, I've worked a few different jobs in my lifetime and a few years ago, I was working for a large corporation and I hated my job. Like there's no other way to say it, I detested my job.

Vanessa: I woke up one Monday morning with no game plan and a mortgage and everything else and I just quit. I just quit. I called a girlfriend and said, "Hey, let's play tennis." And she's like, "Why aren't you working?" I didn't have an answer and I just quit. You know, I quit, like a couple weeks before Thanksgiving, so no one was going to hire me. I had been a high level tennis player for a while, so just by some stroke of luck that next weekend was a United States Tennis Association's Certification seminar. I went to it, passed with flying colors, everybody laughed, because they knew me and the teachers at the seminar and they're like, "You're going to teach tennis now? Do you wanna work for me? Do you wanna work for me?"

Vanessa: Literally, the last thing I ever wanted to do was to teach tennis. I actually did it for a while and as I was trying to figure out my life. A friend of mine said to me, "Can you help my sister?" I said, "Help her what?" And he says, "Lose weight. She's well over 100 pounds overweight." And I told him, I go, "I'm not a personal trainer." He said, "You're the fittest person I've ever known. I watch you doing all these things. I know all your injuries in life. Are you serious, you can't help her?"

Vanessa: And he was kind of mad at me. I'm laughing and then he said the most magical thing and he said, "You're not working. I'll pay you." I went, "Okay. I mean, why not?"

Vanessa: So she lost 128 pounds. We worked together five days a week. I got certified and other clients popped in. I mean, I had no plan. Like if you had said to me six years ago, "Vanessa, you're going to be a really accomplished personal trainer." I would've said, "You're high."

Vanessa: Because there was no plan and I have been incredibly lucky to get the clients I had to be able to create a business. I love what I do every day. I am one of the few people in the world that can say, "Every day, everybody that sees me, work-wise, is happy to see me." Like, my clients like me. I like them and their going places in life. They're getting somewhere. They're improving and it's really a joy.

Jeff: Yeah. I think we get a little glimpse of what you're talking about there at the Huntsman World Senior Games. The one thing that people who haven't been around an event like that, one of the first things they notice is how happy the people are to be there and competing and active and seeing each other. It's a very positive energy that's felt during an event like that. So I'm sure that, that's kind of what you're experiencing when you talk about your clients.

Vanessa: And I think one of the most interesting things are as Derek will tell us, I would've really thought someone in their 50's, 60's, definitely 70's and 80's was basically dead. Right?

Jeff: Oh yeah. Yeah.

Vanessa: I mean, when I was in my 20's and 30's, anyone in their 50's, well their body's were falling apart and they might as well just sit on the couch. And when you go to the Huntsman games, you watch these 70 and 80 year olds play basketball. When you watch them run track right?

Jeff: Right.

Vanessa: And do a triathlon, you go, "Wow, really? Are you serious?"

Derek: And compete at a high level.

Vanessa: And you look at their joy. Joy. They have joy right? And they laugh right?

Jeff: Right. They do. They do and Derek makes a point. They're competing at a high level. [crosstalk 00:18:33] I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Vanessa: I think that what happens, I think too, when you get older, it's not necessarily ... We're not embarrassed anymore.

Jeff: No. We have no shame.

Vanessa: The person who comes in last or misses the basket, is not the least bit embarrassed anymore. They're amazed that they're out there trying.

Jeff: Right.

Vanessa: The entire intent changes when you wanna compete as an older person.

Jeff: Right.

Vanessa: And I think that's the joy that is missing in most people's lives. So when we look at ... When people ask why I push them to get fit and I said, "Because I want you to be happy. Moving your body will create more happiness than you ever dreamed of. It's not about making money and all these wonderful things if you're not happy."

Jeff: That's true. That's very true.

Vanessa: Right. I mean, that's the point of living.

Jeff: That's so true. Now, I just wanna ask you this question, because your personal life and your professional life are so intertwined, they all involve exercise. Is that a challenge in your life? Do you find yourself ever saying, "You know, I'm tired. I need to take a vacation from working out."

Vanessa: No. No. In fact, so here's the best thing ever right? So I see between, usually eight to nine clients a day. If you see me the day after a marathon, boy you know we're probably stretching a lot right?

Jeff: Oh yeah.

Vanessa: So I am the person who tells you what you're doing and I'm doing it with you at about 20%. So all of my work makes me a better athlete. I am very blessed that way and I walk my talk, which I think is really, really important. We see lots of coaches in the world who are overweight, who can't play the game anymore and they just coach. Right?

Jeff: Yeah. Right.

Vanessa: And I know I take a lot of clients to their first 5K and one of the most amazing things for them to see, is that I've finished ten or fifteen minutes before them. Like they're amazed. Right? And especially, I always try to choose an out and back course, so they can see me on the way back and they're like thrilled. Like, Wow. My personal trainer really is this good too. Right? I can be that also.

Jeff: Right.

Vanessa: I think that when you take that ... and I have this girl. My oldest client right now is 85 and my youngest client is 14. I took this 14 year old girl to run her first 5K a month ago. This was unathletic child who had the best day of her life, because here were total strangers that were cheering her on and screaming her name as she came through that chute. Right?

Jeff: Right.

Vanessa: She couldn't imagine. Right? Because, I told the people who put on the race. I said, Hey, "This girl's coming. I'm tracking her on strata. Here she comes." The announcer, the entire crowd goes crazy for her. She was like, "That was like the best moment of my life." And she goes, "Nobody cared if I won or anything, they just cared that I finished and I did it." That. That's just priceless.

Jeff: Yeah. You know, it really is and I think that, that's what athletics and events bring to people that those who are on the couch don't necessarily think about, is that it's the joy of competing, it's the joy of being able to do, not necessarily winning or coming in first. It's knowing that you're doing something that somebody else is choosing not to do or something like that that brings them the greatest joy.

Vanessa: Exactly. Exactly.

Jeff: So do you have other great success stories that you'd like to share quickly?

Vanessa: Yes I do. I have this delightful, he's turning 85, August 1st. I started teaching him tennis when he was 79. Tennis court in his backyard, grouchy guy. Grouchy as could be. When I first met him, I said, "Wow. If I played tennis that badly with a tennis court in my backyard, I'd be grouchy too. So how about if you learn to play the game correctly?" He had just always gone out and played doubles with his friends and smack the ball. Basically, that's all he did.

Jeff: Mm-hmm (affirmative)

Vanessa: And when I taught him to do ... And he hated it. He hated having to like learn how to hit a proper forehand.

Jeff: Right.

Vanessa: But once he did, it changed everything for him. Now, the game wasn't just something he did for exercise, it is something that he does because it's fun. I mean, he's a solid 3/5 tennis player now. Solid. He went to his first, at the age of 84, his first USTA Age Group Tournament.

Jeff: Wow.

Vanessa: He went to a category two. I didn't just take him to a small one. Everybody knew me and I go, "Guys, Everybody. I want you to meet so and so. Here he is. He's winning his first match today of his entire life." He had never ever competed.

Jeff: That is amazing.

Vanessa: And the guy he was playing looked at me and goes, "Vanessa, he's your student. I don't have a chance." And I go, "He's not just my student. He's three times a week student." He went out there, literally, scared to death, like shaking scared. This was a very successful business man.

Jeff: Wow. Wow. What a great story.

Vanessa: He looked at me and I and said, "If you lose, I quit." So everyone was laughing at him going, "God, is she like the worst coach ever?" Of course, he won 6/4 6/4 and had the time of his life. Right?

Jeff: That's great. That's an amazing story.

Vanessa: And then he lost the next match 6/0 6/0, but he can always say he won a tennis match.

Jeff: But he went out and did it and he had fun. So we're running out of time.

Vanessa: Oh he had so much fun.

Jeff: Vanessa, we're running out of time. You've been a great guest, but what would you say to somebody who's sitting on the couch right now listening to this show, just quickly, what would you tell them about getting off the couch and getting active?

Vanessa: Just move. All you have to do is move and you are doing better than you did yesterday. All I ever try to do on a daily basis, is to move and make myself feel better. That's it.

Jeff: Well that's great advice and thank you so much for joining us, Vanessa. Like I said, You've been a wonderful guest.

Derek: Thank you, Vanessa.

Vanessa: Thank you. It was nice to meet you guys.

Jeff: Take care. So we'd like to thank Vanessa for joining us on the show and remember to join us each and every Thursday and 5:30pm for the Huntsman World Senior Games Active Life at 1450 AM Fox News Radio. Excuse me, St. George News Radio.

Jeff: You can listen to this or any other show from the past on You can also subscribe to our podcast. Just search for Huntsman World Senior Games Active Life in the Google Play Store or iTunes and subscribe. And Derek, 2018 is flying by.

Derek: Yes it is.

Jeff: We already have over 7000 registered participants. Two sports, pickle ball and bowling have reached participation caps. They're are also participation caps for softball, volleyball, and soccer teams. And those events are getting close to capacity. So what does this mean?

Derek: Games are coming.

Jeff: And what else does it mean? Register now.

Derek: That's right.

Jeff: Today. Just do it. Get it done. So if you have any comments or feedback, we'd love to hear from you. Just send an email to

Jeff: Our quote of the day is "With the right kind of coaching and determination, you can accomplish anything." And that was by Reece Witherspoon.

Jeff: Until next time, stay active.