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Kyle Case: Hello and welcome to the Huntsman World Senior Games Active Life. My name is Kyle Case and I'll be your host on this amazing journey, as we attempt to help you get the most out of your life. Joining me in the studio today is my co-pilot, Jeff Harding. Jeff, how are you doing today?

Jeff Harding: I'm happier than a whirling dervish at a spin class.

Kyle Case: You're ... Okay. That sounds like something Dolly Parton might've said once.

Jeff Harding: No, I just made that up.

Kyle Case: You made it up?

Jeff Harding: I just made it up, yep.

Kyle Case: A whirling dervish. I don't know what a dervish is.

Jeff Harding: It's a dance that they do in parts of the country, they spin...

Kyle Case: And there's whirling involved?

Jeff Harding: Well, yeah, they spin circles but the pun was a spin class, like a cycling spin class.

Kyle Case: Oh, that was the pun. Okay. I missed it. I missed it. But that's okay. That's okay. I don't have to get all of your jokes.

Jeff Harding: Most people don't, so I'm used to it.

Kyle Case: So Jeff, here's the thing.

Jeff Harding: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Kyle Case: If there's one thing that I think that we've learned in doing this show, it's that there's no limit to the number of trends, or fads, that we find in the world of health and wellness. Would you say that's true?

Jeff Harding: Well that's true, cause I've talked about some of them just recently in different areas, yeah.

Kyle Case: Yeah. We talk about those kinds of things all the time. There's all kinds of contradicting studies, there's the conventional wisdom approach, there's rumors, there's myths, there's quick fixes, there's miracle cures. You've got the whole gambit of things that are out there, and honestly sometimes it's hard to make sense of everything.

Jeff Harding: If you don't like the current logic, just wait a few days...

Kyle Case: Just wait a little while and something will change, right? Well I feel like our job isn't necessarily to say, "This one thing is the right way to go."

Jeff Harding: No.

Kyle Case: However, we wanna provide a wide range of information and then let people find their own path to the active life, and do what works best for them.

Jeff Harding: Yes.

Kyle Case: So, in that spirit today, Jeff, I wanna talk about apple cider vinegar. You ever heard of the apple cider vinegar trend?

Jeff Harding: Oh yeah. It takes the burns out, if you get sunburned it'll take the sunburn off your skin.

Kyle Case: Oh, now see that's something I didn't know about it.

Jeff Harding: Yeah. It literally does. If you get a bad sunburn you rub that on, and it gets the burn out.

Kyle Case: Well there you go. So there are some other reported health benefits, in addition to a salve for burns.

Jeff Harding: Just don't drink it.

Kyle Case: Well, that's one of the things that they're recommending.

Jeff Harding: I did it, and it just about gagged me.

Kyle Case: So you've heard of some of the trends. Some of the rumors about apple cider vinegar in particular, it helps with weight loss, it helps with...

Jeff Harding: Let's get something tastes good after drinking it.

Kyle Case: Well, exactly, right? Anyway. Some of the things that they say about it haven't really been proven yet, scientifically, but there are a lot of things that they're saying about it, so I thought it'd be worth taking a look at apple cider vinegar, what it's supposed to do or what it really does. I found an article on the My Fitness Pal blog, written by Kate Chenoweth, and the name of the article is, "Can Apple Cider Vinegar Fix All of Your Problems?"

Jeff Harding: Mm.

Kyle Case: So let's take a look at some of the claims that they make and see if they pan out. Some of the claims that they make, right? Claim number one. It's good for your gut flora.

Jeff Harding: That's why I drink it. My wife said my flora was out of balance, I need to drink it to get back in balance.

Kyle Case: But you didn't enjoy the experience?

Jeff Harding: No. I literally just about gagged it back up.

Kyle Case: So I'm actually gonna touch on that a little bit later on, but unpasteurized apple cider vinegar is rich in enzymes and probiotics.

Jeff Harding: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Kyle Case: And that is similar to other raw, fermented liquids like kombucha, you've heard of that.

Jeff Harding: No, I haven't.

Kyle Case: Oh, you haven't?

Jeff Harding: Nope.

Kyle Case: Well one of our staff members drinks one kombucha.

Jeff Harding: Is that the green stuff?

Kyle Case: It's not the green sludge, no, but she brings in some other stuff that's kombucha. Anyway. Probiotics aid digestion, they help keep us regular and they prevent bloating, but those benefits are only gained if you drink it raw. You can't drink the pasteurized kind. So you wanna make sure that the stuff that you're drinking is the all natural product that is produced by all natural producers because pasteurization kills the probiotic strains that you find in your apple cider vinegar.

Jeff Harding: Okay.

Kyle Case: You'll know that you've got the good stuff if you see cobweb-y strands of what they call "the mother" floating in your bottom. I don't know a lot about apple cider vinegar...

Jeff Harding: In the bottom of the bottle?

Kyle Case: Yeah.

Jeff Harding: Okay.

Kyle Case: So if there's little cobweb-y strands in there. They call that "the mother," I don't know if that's the probiotic, I don't know what that is, but they call it the mother. So anyway. If you're looking for a way to wake up and energize your digestion, a morning shot of apple cider vinegar might make some sense for you. So that claim actually tends to be true.

Jeff Harding: I think so.

Kyle Case: Claim number two.

Jeff Harding: Okay.

Kyle Case: About apple cider vinegar. It blocks starch and fat absorption. You ever heard that?

Jeff Harding: I've not.

Kyle Case: Okay, well that's one of the claims that they make. Raw apple cider vinegar does contain acetic acid, which research shows can help block starch absorption.

Jeff Harding: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Kyle Case: So the first part of that could be true. This can directly benefit pre-diabetic people because blood sugar may be less likely to spike if you consume vinegar before you eat a starchy meal.

Jeff Harding: Okay, that makes sense.

Kyle Case: So that does make sense. A related claim is that vinegar increases energy levels by stopping blood sugar spikes. But for the general population, that's a little bit of an exaggeration, they found. Scientific evidence shows only a very slight beneficial effect of non-pre-diabetic people, likewise studies have shown ingesting apple cider vinegar helps protect mice from ill effects of high fat diets by improving their blood sugar levels, and their cholesterol. Unfortunately, replicating those results in humans has bene inconclusive so far. So it's good for fat mice, but not necessarily for heavier human beings.

Jeff Harding: I thought you were gonna say that the mice died after drinking it. Unfortunately the mice died right after drinking it.

Kyle Case: No. No, they don't. But it does help them, to some degree, improving their blood sugar levels. But those are not replicated in human beings. So that one doesn't really pan out to be entirely true. There are some elements, but it's not entirely true.

Jeff Harding: Okay.

Kyle Case: Claim number three is that it's a detoxing magic bullet. You ever heard that before?

Jeff Harding: I have heard that one before.

Kyle Case: Okay. So as a key feature of many cleanse diets, apple cider vinegar is also touted as a great way to combat that toxic overload, which is kind of a vague diagnosis for supposedly gunked up liver. And it threatens people who enjoy a happy hour, or maybe a dessert every once in a while, or both. However, the claim that apple cider vinegar cleanses the liver of the sludge is more anecdotal than scientific.

Jeff Harding: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Kyle Case: Similarly, the notion that apple cider vinegar can melt fat or promote weight loss, it's just not backed by any hard evidence. So those are claims that are not necessarily true. It is plausible, though. This is what you were talking about earlier. That by adding a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar to eight ounces of water can suppress your appetite.

Jeff Harding: Yeah.

Kyle Case: And you found that that was true?

Jeff Harding: Well they gave it to me straight. My wife and daughter gave it to me straight, yeah.

Kyle Case: Here's the downside of that. One study concluded that that resulted mainly from the nausea caused by drinking the apple cider vinegar.

Jeff Harding: Yes, yes, yes.

Kyle Case: So you weren't quite as hungry after drinking some vinegar afterwards.

Jeff Harding: No, I was not.

Kyle Case: But it's also worth noting, Jeff, that drinking an eight ounce glass of plain water can also dull your appetite.

Jeff Harding: Yes it can, cause it fills your stomach.

Kyle Case: So I would say that that is probably debunked as well. That claim.

Jeff Harding: Yes.

Kyle Case: So you mentioned the taste, what does it taste like? Well people say that "sour" is a polite word to describe the taste of undiluted, raw apple cider vinegar. It doesn't taste very well, but people who believe in it take a spoonful every day, that's the way that they go about it. A gentler option is to mix it with eight ounces of water, put a little bit of lemon juice in it, and maybe a bit of Stevia to cut the flavor just a little bit.

Jeff Harding: Or actually, put it in with some wine of something cause wine's also been distilled.

Kyle Case: Well, there you go. So there's an option.

Jeff Harding: Yeah.

Kyle Case: However, it doesn't sound like a lot of the benefits that they're touted really pan out.

Jeff Harding: No.

Kyle Case: For most of us at least. So the bottom line, should you start guzzling your apple cider vinegar? Well, probably not. Probably not. Most health experts caution against overdosing it with apple cider vinegar, since it has the potential, also, to negatively affect tooth enamel and irritate your stomach lining.

Jeff Harding: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Kyle Case: However, they do say that in small doses, there may be some benefits to integrating a little bit of apple cider vinegar into an overall healthy lifestyle. So it's something to consider.

Jeff Harding: I think we should get a third opinion on this.

Kyle Case: Let's do it. Let's bring our guest on. Today we're gonna be speaking with Camilla Clawson, who is a Zumba and water aerobics instructor, and we're gonna talk about the benefits of dance as a fitness activity. But before we get into dance, Camilla, what do you think? Are you a believer in apple cider vinegar?

Camilla Clawson: Yes!

Kyle Case: Oh, you do? Okay.

Camilla Clawson: I do!

Kyle Case: So have I just deflated all of your...

Camilla Clawson: No.

Kyle Case: Plans?

Camilla Clawson: No.

Jeff Harding: Well, look at her. She's spelt. She's in shape, maybe there's something to it.

Kyle Case: There might be.

Camilla Clawson: No, my husband and I started drinking it, but we water it down, and we do organic lemon juice with it.

Kyle Case: Okay.

Camilla Clawson: But it was because he had kidney stones, and somebody...

Kyle Case: Oh, okay. Which is horrible.

Camilla Clawson: Yeah, it was terrible. And that was about three years ago. So he drinks it daily, and he has not had another kidney stone. And so that sounds kind of soapbox, weird, but it's worked for him.

Kyle Case: Hey, like I said at the beginning of the show, we're just trying to provide information that allow people to make their own choices. And if it's working for him, then I would say keep doing it, because I've had kidney stones. And it is horrible.

Camilla Clawson: Right.

Kyle Case: So anything that works to avoid that, I say go for it.

Camilla Clawson: And it could be a placebo, but if it's working for him...

Kyle Case: If it works, it works.

Camilla Clawson: He drinks it every day.

Jeff Harding: Also I think my body knew I was gonna take a sip of it a few months ago, because I haven't had kidney stones in 61 years.

Kyle Case: Oh really? So it worked for you as well?

Jeff Harding: In advance, before, and after.

Kyle Case: Your one dose has cured you, at least up 'til now.

Jeff Harding: It's a miracle.

Camilla Clawson: I cheat and put a little bit of honey in it, because yeah.

Kyle Case: Honestly, I've never had it. I've never had it straight, I've never had it diluted, I do know that it does tend to have a very strong flavor from people that I've talked to.

Camilla Clawson: It's intense.

Kyle Case: So if you have to cut it with a little bit of honey or something sweet, I think that makes sense.

Jeff Harding: So my wife gave me about two ounces in the bottom of a cup, and said, "Here, drink this." And I drank it, burned all the way down my throat, I mean it was straight...

Kyle Case: If your wife said, "Jump off this bridge," would you jump off this bridge, Jeff?

Jeff Harding: Yes, I would. Have you seen her? She's scary.

Camilla Clawson: Honestly, that's abuse. Just doing straight vinegar, that's abusive.

Kyle Case: Well let's get off of apple cider vinegar and get onto dancing, shall we?

Camilla Clawson: Yes.

Kyle Case: That is Camilla's expertise. Let's talk about dancing as a fitness exercise. Is it...

Camilla Clawson: Yes.

Kyle Case: Is it worthwhile? Does it help people? What are the benefits of dance?

Camilla Clawson: Okay. I wanna preface this by saying that I wasn't raised a dancer. I didn't ever dance in a dance class as a toddler, growing up I wasn't a cheerleader, I had two left feet. I was introduced to dance fitness when I was 27 years old. I had just had my second baby, and I hast post-partum depression really bad.

Kyle Case: Okay.

Camilla Clawson: I had always been into fitness, and I love exercise, but I had never danced. And so after my second baby, someone said come to Zumba. And I didn't even know what the word meant.

Kyle Case: Right.

Camilla Clawson: So for those of you that don't, it's dance fitness. So the first class I ever went to, I had two left feet, I actually didn't know if I even liked it, but everyone around me were like whistling and shouting...

Kyle Case: Having so much fun.

Camilla Clawson: Having so much fun, and when the dance trance, if you will, ended, I realized that I hadn't thought about anything else for that entire hour. That I had just been focusing on my feet, and sweating, and I was like, "Okay, I'm hooked." So I kept coming back week after week, and then my muscle memory set it. And so I'm talking about dance fitness today as someone who was not a dancer, and in the technical terms, would never go up against a professional dancer, but it works.

Kyle Case: You're not ready for Dance World yet, huh?

Camilla Clawson: No. No, no, no.

Kyle Case: So that idea of being able to just focus on something else, for you at least at that time, was just what you needed.

Camilla Clawson: Just what I needed.

Kyle Case: And then you were able to kind of move that into kind of a lifestyle, it sounds like.

Camilla Clawson: It's been a decade now, and it's still just as exciting, and fun. People keep asking, "Are you ever gonna do something else?" And I do other things, but dance fitness is my passion, and I love to spread that to other people. I have students from age 18 ... My 12 year old son goes with me. Clients up into their 80s. And I also work with people that aren't ready for dance fitness yet, but we're building strength and stepping stones to get ready. Just to balance, and things to help them start dancing.

Jeff Harding: Well I tell you, Kyle, we had the western dinner dance, and there are people well into their 90s that go and they're dancing all over the floor, and I'm tired just watching them. So I think that that is a lifetime activity that one can do and maintain physical fitness.

Camilla Clawson: Right. And that was what I ran into at the very beginning. My friend and I were going to Zumba every week and our husbands said, "Are you guys even doing anything? Like is it even beneficial?"

Kyle Case: Did you invite them to come with you one time?

Camilla Clawson: So on a surprise date night, we said, "We're not gonna tell what we're gonna do. Put on some tennis shoes and work out clothes," and we made them go to a Zumba class. 20 minutes in, red faced, sweating out of every pore of their bodies. They were like, "Okay, we've had enough. We admit this is really good." So yeah. My husband has backed me 100 percent in this, because it's exercise.

Kyle Case: But he hasn't joined you?

Camilla Clawson: He does. He's so good to join every once in a while.

Kyle Case: That's awesome. That is awesome. I remember a pre-Zumba world, but I know that is it absolutely a phenomenon and many, many people enjoy it. My wife has gone many times, she really enjoys it. I personally haven't taken the challenge, because I have, as you said, two left feet. And I just haven't broken through that social embarrassment barrier, I guess.

Jeff Harding: Lori swears by it. I mean, she will not miss it.

Kyle Case: She loves it.

Camilla Clawson: There's no such thing as two left feet, especially in dance fitness. As long as you're moving, and smiling, and sweating, that's it. There are no rules.

Kyle Case: Those are the things you're looking for, huh?

Camilla Clawson: Even if the instructor's going left and you're going right, keep a smile on your face.

Kyle Case: And they won't notice, huh?

Camilla Clawson: No. We really just dance around like crazy people and feel good an hour later, then see you next time.

Kyle Case: You're listening to the Huntsman World Senior Games Active Life, and we're visiting with dance and water aerobics instructor, Camilla Clawson. We're talking specifically about dance as fitness right now. I see the benefits, I really do. And I like what Jeff said earlier, that it is a lifetime activity. It's something that you can do well into your later years. Well, well into your later years.

Jeff Harding: Oh, yeah.

Kyle Case: And I know there's so much research on brain health as well as balance, and muscle fitness, so I think there's a lot going on. There's a lot that's happening there that's good and positive. When it comes to incorporating it into maybe what you're already doing, is there a good way to ease into it, or do you just jump in with both feet? What's your recommendation here?

Jeff Harding: Well if you're doing the Hokey Pokey, then you probably jump in with both feet in, then jump back...

Kyle Case: And then you turn yourself around.

Camilla Clawson: And turn yourself around.

Kyle Case: I don't know if it's true, Jeff, but I've heard that that's what it's all about. Okay.

Camilla Clawson: Yes.

Jeff Harding: That was a good one.

Camilla Clawson: With most things, you want to make sure that if you have an injury, your doctor approves of a dance fitness class. But I would just start with baby steps. Tell yourself ... I have been working with a client at the Intermountain Live Well Center who came in and he had quite a bit of weight to lose. And he hadn't exercised in a few years. So I made him an exercise prescription, we worked on balance and strength, getting his core built back up, and he really wanted to do Zumba with his wife. So I said, just come in and commit to ten minutes. Do the warm-up, and if you can stay past that, great. I put a chair along the back wall, and he would have to go sit down every once in a while, but they stayed the entire hour. And now it's an every Saturday morning they are there together, and these are a couple in their 70s, and this is new for them. This is something new.

Camilla Clawson: And so they committed to ten minutes, but they have never left after ten minutes. They just maybe sit down, get back up, and that's the beauty. There are no rules. But I would say baby steps.

Kyle Case: Yeah.

Camilla Clawson: And drag someone with you. It's more fun if you have someone dancing there beside you.

Kyle Case: Especially if they are as bad a dancer as you are.

Camilla Clawson: Exactly.

Jeff Harding: You can be bookends.

Kyle Case: So the idea of, "Oh, I'm too old, I can't learn a new thing." You would say there's definitely no reason to feel that way?

Camilla Clawson: No. My favorite student, her name is Joanna, she had open heart surgery. She just turned 80. She was back after open heart surgery six weeks later, and she does what she can, but she's smiling the entire time. And her little hairline gets soaking wet with sweat, and she's the cutest. It's never too late.

Kyle Case: Well it's not as scary as one might think, because you do have an instructor in front of the class who's kind of calling out and helping you know what the moves are gonna be. So it's not like you have to make up the dance moves. There's somebody to watch and somebody to listen to to help you know what, so you can kind of follow along.

Camilla Clawson: Absolutely. And I teach my classes, I dance to inspire my students to come out of their shells. I'm not dancing to impress them. I'm not a beautiful dancer, but I get the steps marked out and the more I make fun of myself and make a fool of myself, the more comfortable my students are to let their hair down, so to speak. And have fun.

Kyle Case: I feel like that makes sense. Jeff, as you know, I had the chance to go to Brazil on a recruiting trip a month or so ago...

Jeff Harding: And also Barbados.

Kyle Case: And I've been to Barbados as well, which is a very dance culture place there. But it was really fun. One night I was out walking through one of the neighborhoods, and there was some kind of a neighborhood Zumba party, I guess, that was going on. I don't know if...

Jeff Harding: Or just a dance party.

Kyle Case: I don't know if it was something they did regularly ... No, it was definitely Zumba. People weren't just gathering to dance. There was an instructor, but there were probably 100 people on this tennis court, and people were laughing and just big smiles, and for about one second I thought, "Hey, I might..." and then I didn't.

Camilla Clawson: You should've!

Kyle Case: And then I didn't.

Camilla Clawson: My whole purpose in this is I love fitness. I want people to have a lifestyle change. I love the benefits of being fit and healthy. And if that is dance for you, or if it's walking or running, whatever it is, if it can be a lifestyle change and something that gets you excited day after day to put your spin shoes on, or put your dancing shoes on. If it works for you, do it forever.

Jeff Harding: Well, I think an advantage of dance, the aerobic portion of dance is that it transcends all the sports. I mean, you're not gonna hurt your ability to run or your ability to jump, or your ability to do anything else athletically by dancing. You're probably only going to enhance it.

Camilla Clawson: Right. My core strength transformed after I started dancing. I always had ... I was runner, and I suffered with knee pain, and it was coming from my core. I built my core muscles and that was just my experience, but I feel stronger now, because I'm using muscles that I had never used before.

Jeff Harding: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Kyle Case: Well and that's the beauty of, I guess, cross-training in general and doing different things than what your actual sport might be. Because you do use muscles that you wouldn't normally use, and the more than you have the core strength and just the overall ability to move your body in different ways, I think that's benefit to everybody.

Camilla Clawson: Balance is huge. And dance teaches balance. It trains your balance.

Kyle Case: Absolutely. And then like I mentioned earlier, and I don't know if this is an expertise that you have, but there are a lot of brain health advantages to dance. Can you talk a little bit about some of the benefits that come from...

Camilla Clawson: Yes! It was really exciting to start reading all the studies about brain health and there are actually real, scientific backed studies that show that dance is an effective way to fight dementia and Alzheimer's. They're saying that it does new brain patterns, even freestyle dancing. If you don't go to a class, and you're just dancing in your kitchen, it creates those rapid brain waves and those thoughts that create new muscle memory and new brain memory. So they're saying the gray matter in your brain increases with dance. And they compared it to other forms of exercise and nothing compared like dance.

Kyle Case: We actually offer a dance competition at the Huntsman World Senior Games that's square dance, but some of the studies that they have shown specifically to dance and specifically to square dance just reiterate what you just said, is there really isn't anything out there that is better. There's lots of other things that are good for your brain, for sure, but there's nothing out there right now, that they've seen, that is actually better for you than picking up some dancing. So it's something we gotta consider.

Camilla Clawson: My theory behind that, and this is my personal theory, it's that it's the joy that it brings. If you can do happiness, do something that makes you happy, do that more often. I love to run, but it doesn't bring me the same joy, and I'm not smiling when I'm running. But when I'm dancing, I'm for sure smiling.

Kyle Case: That's awesome. I don't love to run. I do run a little bit, but I'm also not smiling when I'm dancing, but I know it's good for me, so I get out there and do it.

Kyle Case: But we've got about a minute left, what would you say to somebody who has never been, never done it, never been to Zumba or a dance class, but is not, because we're talking about it, is thinking about it? What would you say to that person?

Camilla Clawson: Don't be afraid. The fear won't take you to where you wanna be. Be brave, today. Just try one little thing and if it's even just turning on music in your kitchen and seeing what you can do in your kitchen, start small. And if you start small, then it'll grow. But don't let fear stop you.

Kyle Case: I have to admit, that is what has stopped me in the past. I can turn on the music and I can dance like no one is watching, when no one is watching.

Camilla Clawson: Yeah. My life is forever changed because of dance fitness. It helped me through depression, I don't even recognize myself. My pre-dance self to now, I am a completely different human.

Kyle Case: Awesome.

Camilla Clawson: I encourage anyone to try it.

Kyle Case: Sounds like great, great advice. Camilla, thank you so much for joining us today.

Camilla Clawson: Thank you so much.

Kyle Case: We appreciate you being here, and your expertise.

Kyle Case: So Jeff, registration is officially closed for the Huntsman World Senior Games, but that doesn't mean that you can't participate in the games.

Jeff Harding: Very true.

Kyle Case: Now is a great time to register as a volunteer. We need a ton of help, and if you are not planning to compete this year, or you didn't make the registration, or even if you are competing this year, volunteering is a great way to get involved with the games. It's very easy to do. All you have to do is visit, click on the volunteer button, and there are a myriad of opportunities to help out with the games. Lots and lots of choices, you can do according to task or you can go according to day, whatever works best for you. The 2018 dates for this year's games are October 8th through the 20th, and I'm telling you, volunteering for this event is very satisfying.

Jeff Harding: We do need volunteers starting about a week before that.

Kyle Case: We do. That is true. So keep that in mind. People who have volunteered for the games in the past, they tell me, and I know that they've told you the same thing, Jeff, that they love to do it.

Jeff Harding: They have and they do, yeah.

Kyle Case: So check it out. Once more, that is, click on volunteer, and see how you can be a part of the games this year, because we do need the help. Also, don't miss the Huntsman World Senior Games opening ceremonies.

Jeff Harding: Oh, it's gonna be fun.

Kyle Case: We're leading up to that now, we're just a few weeks out, and I hope and think that you ought to plan on attending. It's on Tuesday, October 9th, at 7:00 P.M. at Dixie State University's Trailblazer Stadium. We're gonna have singing, we're gonna have dancing, we're gonna have the parade of athletes. It is really a tremendous show, and best of all, it's free. So bring the family, and don't miss it.

Kyle Case: And Jeff, I'm gonna make a big announcement.

Jeff Harding: Okay.

Kyle Case: Right here, on this show, I'm gonna let you know who will be our special guest speaker for this year.

Jeff Harding: I can't even stand it, go ahead, share it.

Kyle Case: Have you ever heard of the Chicken Soup for the Soul books?

Jeff Harding: Yes I have.

Kyle Case: Well our guest speaker, his name is Dan Clark, is a primary contributor to that series. He's one of the best speakers in America today, he has an incredible story to tell, and I promise he's gonna motivate you and you don't wanna miss it. So once again, the opening ceremonies, it's at Dixie State University Trailblazer Stadium, 7:00 P.M. on Tuesday, October 9th, get that on your calendar, and it is free. So join us. Remember to tune in next and every Thursday at 5:30 P.M. mountain time, on AM1450 or FM93.1 for the Huntsman World Senior Games Active Life. You can also subscribe to our podcast pretty much anywhere that podcasts are found, including iTunes, Google, and Stitcher, as well as TuneIn and Spotify. Once you subscribe, give us a rating and write a quick review, it helps us spread the word.

Kyle Case: Jeff, our inspirational thought for the day, from the great, Greek philosopher, Aristotle, "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." Until next Thursday, stay active. Bye everyone.