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Speaker 1: Jeremiah was a bullfrog. Was a good friend of mine.

Kyle Case: Hello and welcome to the Hunstman World Senior Games Active Life. My name is Kyle Case, and I'll be your host on this amazing journey as we attempt to help you get the most out of your life. Joining me in the studio today as my copilot is Michelle Graves. Michelle, how are you doing today?

Michelle Graves: I'm doing good. How are you, Kyle?

Kyle Case: I'm doing awesome. Today feels like a good day.

Michelle Graves: It's a beautiful day.

Kyle Case: In the neighborhood.

Michelle Graves: Yes.

Kyle Case: A beautiful day for a neighbor. Do you remember-

Michelle Graves: Won't you be my neighbor?

Kyle Case: So you do remember Mr. Rogers, okay. I was wondering if I was wandering down a road that you weren't familiar with, but yes, Mr. Rogers.

Michelle Graves: No, in fact, I think there's a documentary out on him or something.

Kyle Case: Is there?

Michelle Graves: He's really amazing in what he accomplished.

Kyle Case: I know that he is.

Michelle Graves: Yes, I do love that. I have great childhood memories of watching that.

Kyle Case: And I do too.

Michelle Graves: Thanks for bringing it up.

Kyle Case: For sure. So with good childhood memories, I'm afraid I'm going to have to put a little bit of a downer on things now, Michelle, because I've got some bad news.

Michelle Graves: We started so high.

Kyle Case: We started so well, but this is important, but it is kind of bad news for a lot of us. It may not be bad news for you, but for me, it was bad news. But I'm still going to share it because it's important. So actually, according to an article that I found in Time Magazine, the World Cancer Research Fund, or the WCRF, has bad news for lovers of bacon and booze.

Michelle Graves: That bacon part might be bad for me.

Kyle Case: So here's the message. Eliminating processed meats and alcohol from your diet may help reduce your risk of developing cancer. This is the third report that the WCRF Continuous Update Project has put out there, and it sounds like this is something that's ongoing, based on the continuous update part of the title there, but it is an ongoing effort to inform consumers about lifestyle habits that may be related to cancer, and this report provides numerous recommendations for people looking to minimize the risk of getting cancer, but two in particular are frankly going to be hard pills to swallow for many Americans, and those two things are bacon and booze, right?

Michelle Graves: Well, we need to pay attention to some of these studies-

Kyle Case: The stuff that comes out, right?

Michelle Graves: Because, I mean, cancer is so prevalent. They're saying do colonoscopies-

Kyle Case: Earlier now.

Michelle Graves: At 45 instead of 50, and really everyone knows someone that's life has been touched by cancer, it's just an epidemic, and we've got to try to figure it out.

Kyle Case: It has to be related to some of the lifestyle choices we're making, right? It just has to be, and that's what the report says.

Michelle Graves: There's probably more than those two things, but-

Kyle Case: But those are the two big things.

Michelle Graves: If you can stop one or two along the way maybe you're getting a little leg up.

Kyle Case: Yeah. So those are two things that they specifically caught. There are other things as well, like you said, but the WCRF recommends significantly or even totally cutting back on processed meats, including bacon, salami, hot dogs, and some sausages, as these products have been associated with the increased risk of colorectal cancer, so something to consider. Unprocessed red meats such as beef, pork, and lamb may also be related to a higher risk of cancer, but the WCRF says that the evidence is not as strong as the processed meats because these products, the whole meats, the red meats, the beef, the pork, and the lamb, they do provide protein, iron, and B-vitamins, which are important, so they're not quite ready to say cut out all red meats yet, but they do recommend that you eat no more than three weekly portions of unprocessed red meats, and again, very little if any processed meats. So that's a pretty strong statement.

Michelle Graves: That is.

Kyle Case: Towards bacon and hot dogs.

Michelle Graves: I had not heard that, that's very interesting.

Kyle Case: So that's kind of bad news for breakfast bacon lovers everywhere.

Michelle Graves: Yeah. I am a little disappointed.

Kyle Case: Yeah. But for some of us, and I know not for you and I, Michelle, we are not drinkers, but for some of us, the news gets worse, they're saying that alcohol also fell under the organization's scrutiny as there is strong evidence that drinking alcohol is a cause of many cancers according to the report. Booze has been linked to cancers of the mouth, throat, esophagus, liver, breast, stomach, and colon, though some evidence has shown that it may actually help protect against kidney cancer, so I guess you've got to weigh your options there.

Michelle Graves: Decide what cancer you want? Oh, boy.

Kyle Case: But some research also suggests that moderate drinking, typically defined as no more than a drink per day for women, or two drinks per day for men, may lengthen your lifespan, improve heart health. Nevertheless, the WCRF maintains that for cancer prevention, it's best not to drink alcohol.

Michelle Graves: That's a bold statement because for many years, they said that wine has so many medicinal-

Kyle Case: Positive effects.

Michelle Graves: Yeah.

Kyle Case: And that's what they're acknowledging here, they're saying that there are some potential heart benefits for drinking a glass of wine with the antioxidants and everything that's in them, but you've got to balance that with the fact that drinking alcohol causes ... it's linked. I don't know if they're ready to say it causes it, but it's linked to a lot of cancers.

Michelle Graves: Right, and there are other ways to strengthen your heart.

Kyle Case: Things to consider, right. Like I said at the beginning, that's not all the report says. It advises individuals to maintain a healthy body weight, stay physically active, which we talk a lot about here on the show, eat plenty of whole grains, produce and beans, and limit intake of processed foods, fast foods, and sugary drink. And this is an interesting one that they recommend, that you avoid high dose dietary supplements, which do not seem to cut cancer risks, and in some cases may increase it. So you know how you get those ads on your Facebook feed, "Get your 700% pill with Vitamin C." Or whatever, they're saying that those high dose supplements may not be as good for you as you're thinking.

Michelle Graves: That's interesting too.

Kyle Case: The report recommends that mothers who are able to breastfeed should breastfeed their children, and that has shown in some studies to protect against breast cancer. So there you go. Cut out the bacon, cut out the alcohol and you might lower your risk of cancer, which is something to consider.

Michelle Graves: Well, it's important. We all need to try to do that.

Kyle Case: I agree. So, Michelle, today's guest is another amazing athlete at the Hunstman World Senior Games. Orville Wong is a pickleball player joining us by phone from Calgary, Canada. In 2017, Orville played for his first time at the Hunstman World Senior Games, and he's made the cut again this year. Orville, we're glad that you could join us. Welcome to the show.

Orville Wong: Thank you so much. I'm happy to be part of the show.

Kyle Case: So have I disappointed you in any way? Are you a big bacon eater and a consumer of alcoholic beverages?

Orville Wong: Well, I think I'm 50%. I don't drink, but I do like my bacon.

Kyle Case: You like the bacon.

Michelle Graves: Join the club.

Kyle Case: We're on the exact same page, Orville, I'm also not a drinker, but boy I love bacon, and just this weekend, it was brought home to be how much I love bacon. When I went home, we had bacon every day for breakfast. Oh, it was good. It was good.

Michelle Graves: Was it like fresh, off the farm bacon?

Kyle Case: Well, it was fresh off the grocery store meat aisle, but it tasted good.

Michelle Graves: But when it's made by mom, it probably tastes better.

Kyle Case: Yeah. Everything by mom is better. Anyway, Orville, we're so excited to visit with you and we look forward to this conversation. Leaving bacon aside, you had an opportunity to be active in sports for pretty much most of your life it sounds like. Tell us a little bit about what got you into sports and the sports that you started playing as a young man.

Orville Wong: Well, I was born in Kingston, Jamaica, and growing up in that amazing climate, everything was done outdoors. I played cricket, I played soccer, badminton was outdoors, table tennis was outdoors, so it was really quite an active life, including a lot of going to the beach on the weekends, enjoying the sun.

Kyle Case: So, Orville, I've got to say, you don't sound like you have a Jamaican accent.

Orville Wong: Well, it's funny, people say that, but when I'm with ... I just went back to Jamaica last Christmas, and it comes back naturally-

Kyle Case: You fall back into it.

Orville Wong: And you get a lot of deals by talking [inaudible 00:08:35].

Michelle Graves: You can bring it right back.

Kyle Case: I love it. So you played, like you said, basically everything outside, a lot of badminton, a lot of soccer, or you probably would have referred to it as football, I guess, right?

Orville Wong: Yes, we did.

Kyle Case: And then cricket as well. I've got to say, cricket is a sport that I don't understand. I need to do a little bit of research on this. I've watched it played before, but it's one that I don't really get.

Orville Wong: A lot of people say it's like watching grass grow unless you know the intricacies. It can be very boring.

Kyle Case: But when you do know the intricacies, and obviously there is a worldwide audience for the sport, especially in commonwealth nations. I was in New Zealand last spring for a recruiting trip, and it's very big in New Zealand, and every TV in the nation was tuned to cricket, so there must have been a big tournament going on or something, I don't know what it was, but I started to try to, as you said, pick up the nuances. I probably need someone to watch a game with me and explain it to me because I missed a lot of stuff.

Orville Wong: There's a big rivalry between Australia and New Zealand and the West Indies and England, so that happens every year continuously.

Kyle Case: So that may have been what I was watching, but anyway, you played cricket. When did you ... when did you kind of let cricket go and move onto other things, or do you still play cricket now?

Orville Wong: No. In the late '60s, when I migrated to Canada, cricket wasn't a sport that was known, so I watched on TV, but I've never played since then.

Kyle Case: So cricket is-

Orville Wong: And again, as with cricket and soccer, I didn't like to run, so I kept wicket-keeper, which was sitting behind the stumps and waiting for the ball to get to you, and I kept goal when I played soccer.

Kyle Case: Well if you don't like to run, those are the two best positions for you, am I right?

Michelle Graves: Yeah, it's hard not to run in soccer.

Kyle Case: Awesome, so you grew up in the West Indies, and then eventually you made a move to Canada. Is that correct?

Orville Wong: Yes. In 1966, I moved to Canada, got married ... I was 20. Got married that same year to the lady, the girl I was going with since we were fifteen, and we had fifteen long, productive years together before she passed two years ago, and I have a daughter and a son who are very active in sports.

Kyle Case: I'm so sorry about the loss of your wife, but it sounds like you had a wonderful relationship and a great time together. Was she also an athlete? Did she play sports as well?

Orville Wong: Unfortunately, she wasn't very active in sports. She preferred to look after the kids and the house and make me happy.

Michelle Graves: Well that's important.

Kyle Case: That's an honorable life, for sure, taking care of the kids and keeping the family going. I think that's fantastic. But you continued to play, when you moved to Canada, did you ... I know that you were involved in your kids' soccer league. Did you continue to play yourself or did you take a little bit of a break while you, yourself, helped raise the family and take care of business?

Orville Wong: I mostly did coaching. I coached both of my kids competitively in soccer and watched them progress through the competitive ranks, and I started playing a lot of badminton squash. And then eight years ago, I started playing pickleball.

Kyle Case: And I want to get into pickleball with you in just a second, but you had kind of a unique experience in coaching your daughter's soccer team. Talk a little bit about that experience from a coach's perspective and just that idea of real success that you had with that girl's team.

Michelle Graves: And maybe give us an idea of when that happened because it was ... was it in the '70s?

Orville Wong: That was about in the late '70s.

Michelle Graves: Okay.

Orville Wong: We moved to a small town north of Toronto called Richmond Hill, and it had a very strong boy's league run by an Irish/Scottish man, so I decided there was nothing for the girls, so I started a girl's soccer league, and lo and behold, there was so many young girls that wanted to play, we couldn't find enough coaches, and of course, girls are easier to coach because they listen. Boys tend to know everything and they don't want to listen to the coach.

Michelle Graves: I like that.

Orville Wong: So it was quite easy to mold them and get them to play properly, and I subsequently took the girl's team to the provincial Ontario Cup Finals, which none of the boys had ever done, so I almost got run out of town by the strong Irish/Scottish coaching association.

Kyle Case: From the boy's league. There was a little bit of jealousy there.

Orville Wong: But it was quite rewarding.

Kyle Case: Well that's awesome. I think during that time that was pretty revolutionary. It's almost pioneering that you would put together the girl's league, and what a tremendous opportunity for the young women in your community to be a part of that, and congratulations on that success. That sounds pretty cool.

Orville Wong: Oh it was, thank you very much.

Kyle Case: So you continued to coach, and as you said, you stayed active in your own way, and then, what, about eight years ago, you picked up the sport of pickeball. I'm curious how you were introduced to pickleball.

Orville Wong: Well, living in Toronto when I was 50, 55, my older friends were playing and I thought, "This is really a game for older people so I'm not going to try."

Kyle Case: You're not quite there yet, right?

Orville Wong: Lo and behold, coming to Calgary, I got introduced to it through some friends. It's such an amazing game, it just keeps you to be more active than tennis, and you have more opportunities to get exercise and not exert yourself as much.

Michelle Graves: That's really interesting that he thought that because I really thought that is the history of pickleball.

Kyle Case: It is.

Michelle Graves: Everyone just really thought it was an easier game of tennis when it came about, and I thought that too, I was like, "Wow, you don't really have to have the skillset." Or the ... I don't know.

Orville Wong: The dexterity.

Michelle Graves: Yes. Yeah, the quickness, and boy, the sport has really-

Kyle Case: You've changed your-

Michelle Graves: Changed and evolved. It has changed, and some of these young players are just doing remarkable things on the pickleball court. It's unbelievable.

Orville Wong: I was at the nationals in Kelowna, British Columbia last year, and the women's final was a twelve-year-old and sixteen-year-old girls. And the amazing skills that they had, and the twelve-year-old beat her grandmother in the semis to get to the finals.

Michelle Graves: That's awesome.

Kyle Case: That's pretty cool.

Michelle Graves: And you know what? That's the other thing I really love about pickleball is that it really now just extends the lines. It's just as popular with young kids as ... all generations play it. It's really great.

Kyle Case: You're listening to the Hunstman World Senior Games Active Life, and we're visiting with Orville Wong, who is a pickleball player at the Huntsman World Senior Games, and we were just talking a little bit about the evolution of that sport. I know that a lot of our listeners know what pickleball is, but I think that there are probably some who maybe haven't heard of it or have heard of it, but don't know. If you were to describe the sport to someone who didn't know what it was, how would you describe pickleball, Orville?

Orville Wong: I would say it's quite an active sport. If you have a background in table tennis and tennis and badminton, it's a lot easier to pick up than if you were coming in cold, but also, because there aren't that many rules, two or three basic rules, it's so easy to play, you just have to familiarize yourself with the different strokes that you need and you're off to the races.

Kyle Case: So I really appreciate what you said there in that one of the things I love most about the sport is the barrier to entry is pretty low. If you have just a marginal amount of coordination, some hand-eye coordination, and you're not tripping all the time over your own feet, you can walk onto a pickleball court and you can actually play the game. I've said this before, but it is so true, you can't do that with every sport. If you walk onto a tennis court with a tennis racket and a ball and somebody else who is maybe not familiar with the sport, you are chasing your tennis ball all the time. It's going up in the air, it's going over the fences-

Michelle Graves: Yeah, you're never connecting together.

Kyle Case: It is not an easy sport to walk into and play, and it's the same with golf. You can't just walk out on a golf course, grab a driver, and all of a sudden you're a good golfer. Every sport, of course, as you practice and get better at it, there's room for improvement, and pickleball is no exception, but it is a sport where you can just walk out on the court and you can have fun on day one, and that's one of the things that I really love about the sport, and as you said, Orville, it kind of started out as what appeared to be a senior sport, but that definitely has changed, and the sport itself has really evolved into a very quick game, and it's fun. If you have not had a chance to watch pickleball played well, it's worth a Google search to see a good game where people are really playing the game, it's a lot of fun.

Michelle Graves: And we want to applaud you because it really is the most difficult sport to get into in our Huntsman World Senior Games, so-

Kyle Case: You made the cut a couple of times now.

Michelle Graves: You made the cut. We're really happy with that.

Orville Wong: No, it's been so rewarding, last year being my first, to see the camaraderie and the friendliness of all the competitors, being all strangers, I was so ... my partner and I were so welcomed, and there was always someone willing to practice with us, and I'm sure this year will be different because since we won the gold medal in the 70's slot, there's going to be a big target on our backs this year.

Michelle Graves: Oh yeah, they might not be as willing.

Orville Wong: I'm looking forward to meeting some of the people from last year and renewing the friendships.

Michelle Graves: We hear that a lot, and we love that. That's our favorite story, really, in the Huntsman World Senior games, is that we really bring the world here in all of its diversity, and we come as strangers and leave as friends. It's awesome.

Orville Wong: So true.

Kyle Case: And just like what you said, Orville, people come a lot of times the first time for the competition, but they come back because of those friendships and that camaraderie, and especially as you build that history and you really look forward to seeing the same people over and over. And let me just say congratulations on your gold medal win. That's not easy to do. We have a very competitive pickleball tournament, and if you came in and walked away with a gold medal, you accomplished something, so congratulations.

Orville Wong: Oh thank you so much. It was quite rewarding and very nice to be in that company.

Kyle Case: I want to ask you a question, Orville, you've spent a lot of your life living what we call the active life. You've been active in sports, you've been active in your children's athletic endeavors, you've played a wide variety of different sports. What has sports taught you in your life that has made your life better or made you a better person?

Orville Wong: You know, the main thing is that if you remain active, your health will normally remain quite good. You can enjoy outdoors and activities a lot easier, and there's nothing more important than your health, and I think living a sediment life is counter productive to that. And I'm out there as much as I can. In the summer, I ride a three-wheel motorcycle and I go all across the country. I just came back from two weeks going to Denver, Sedona [inaudible 00:21:52], and back up through Salt Lake City, and to be outside and active is so important to your mindset and staying healthy.

Kyle Case: I love it, and I think that's so true, and obviously your life has been a great example of that. We've got just about a minute left or so. If you have any advice for someone who is on the bubble of whether or not they want to jump into an activity, whether it's an organized sport, or a walking club, or a running group, what would you say to that person?

Orville Wong: I'd say everybody that I know that is enjoying life to the fullest has a lot of activity in your life. Like you said, whether its walking, jogging, playing tennis, pickleball, or just being out there enjoying the good weather, don't hesitate, you'll feel so much better for it in the long run, and you'll be a much happier person.

Kyle Case: I agree with that. I couldn't have said it better myself. You're really a true ambassador of what the active life really is, and I want to say to you best of luck this year as you come back to St. George, Utah to compete in the Huntsman World Senior Games. Do you have your same partner this year?

Orville Wong: Yes I do.

Kyle Case: Awesome. Well, like you said, you've got that big target on your back, but hopefully you can avoid all the arrows and walk away with the-

Orville Wong: It's all about the camaraderie and meeting the people and having a great time.

Kyle Case: It is, but it's fun to win a gold medal too, isn't it?

Michelle Graves: We'll be looking for you. We'll be watching.

Orville Wong: Thank you, Michelle.

Kyle Case: Orville, thank you so much for joining us today, that's about the time we've got to visit with you, but we really appreciate your experience and spending time with us today, and we are looking forward to seeing you in October.

Orville Wong: It was my pleasure. Thank you both so much. Have a great day.

Kyle Case: Thank you.

Michelle Graves: You too.

Kyle Case: Michelle, now is the time to register for the Huntsman World Senior Games?

Michelle Graves: Oh yes, it is the time.

Kyle Case: As of this morning, we have over 6,000 registered participants.

Michelle Graves: Which is a lot for this time of year.

Kyle Case: That's a lot for this time of year, and as you know, a few of our sports have already closed, including pickleball. Unfortunately, we don't have any more room there, but there are lots of sports that are available. Visit and register today for the sport of your choice. The 2018 dates for the Huntsman World Senior Games are October 8-20. You've got plenty of time to get yourself prepared and trained and ready to go. Don't forget to tune in live next and every Thursday at 5:30 pm Mountain Time on AM 1450 or FM 93.1 for The Active Life presented by the Huntsman World Senior Games. You can also subscribe to our podcast pretty much anywhere podcasts are found, including iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, as well as Tune In and Spotify. Michelle, it is easy to add us to your lists of favorite podcasts, just search for the Huntsman World Senior Games Active Life, hit subscribe, and you will never miss an episode. Once you subscribe, give us a rating and write a quick review of the show, that helps us spread the word. And here's something else really cool that I just found the other day. Michelle, you can ask your smart speaker to play our podcast as well. All you've got to do is ask Siri, Alexa, or your Google Home device to play the Huntsman World Senior Games Active Life podcast, and you will be in active life heaven.

Michelle Graves: You can learn a lot. It's a great thing.

Kyle Case: Our inspirational thought for the day is from the famous American humorist, Will Rogers. He once said, "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there."

Michelle Graves: Good advice.

Kyle Case: Until next Thursday, stay active.

Michelle Graves: Goodbye.

Speaker 1: Joy to the fishes in the deep blue sea. Joy to you and me.

Good advice.

Until next Thursday, stay active.