Today, Kyle and Derek shed a little light on an often overlooked and underappreciated health and wellness issue; mental health. We should talk about it more, especially when it comes to active aging. We also visit with Cade Archibald, owner of East West Health, about a variety of both eastern and western health practices including acupuncture and stem cell therapy that can make a difference in your own health and wellness.
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Kyle Case: Hello, and welcome to Huntsman World Senior Games Active Life. My name is Kyle Case and I'll be your host on this amazing journey as we attempt to help you get the most out of your life. Joining me in the studio today. Filling in for Jeff Harding is my copilot, Derek Campbell.
Derek Campbell: Hi Kyle.
Kyle Case: Derek, how are you doing today?
Derek Campbell: Pretty exceptional.
Kyle Case: You're doing exceptional.
Derek Campbell: That's right.
Kyle Case: I love it when you're doing exceptional.
Derek Campbell: Today is one of those days.
Kyle Case: Today's one of those days.
Derek Campbell: We're going to run with it.
Kyle Case: Awesome. Awesome. Hey, today Derek, I want to touch on a topic that we really probably don't talk enough about and that is mental health.
Derek Campbell: Okay.
Kyle Case: I think that in a lot of ways, many, many ways we've made progress, but I think that there still tends to be a bit of a stigma associated with mental health, but the fact of the matter is that as people live longer and hopefully healthier lives, the medical community is starting to realize that mental health is an important piece of the overall health and wellness puzzle.
Kyle Case: And a today I want to talk a little bit about that. Some of the symptoms that we see especially in older people, we think that they're just natural consequences of getting older. But in reality, some of these things are mental health issues, where they can actually get treatment and maybe require treatment and could live a better, healthier life if they did.
Kyle Case: There's a report in the National Academy of Medicine that indicates that as many as one in five seniors has a mental health condition, that's pretty big. 20%.
Derek Campbell: That's a study I would be willing to say probably more than that, have a mental health issue it's just harder to see and harder to diagnose.
Kyle Case: I agree. With that in mind, let's dig into a couple of the mental health issues that seniors are dealing with. And by the way, all of this is according to an article that I found online, it was written by Carol Pavin Meyer.
Kyle Case: The first thing that she talks about is the one that you're probably thinking of and that is depression, that is relevant. It happens in seniors, it happens across the population for sure. But definitely in seniors, depressive disorders are estimated to affect about 6.5 million people who are 65 or older.
Derek Campbell: Wow.
Kyle Case: That's according to the National Alliance on Mental Illness, while the overall rate of depression is roughly 5% for all seniors, the rate of depressive symptoms rises dramatically for some subgroups within the senior population. For example, it's estimated that 13.5% of those requiring home health care according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, experienced some sort of depressive symptoms, and between 18% to 30% of seniors living in nursing homes. People who are dependent on some sort of care, whether it's in-home care or nursing home care, those people tend to have higher rates of depression.
Derek Campbell: Wow.
Kyle Case: And I think that there's something that makes sense about that there right.
Derek Campbell: Yeah. Absolutely.
Kyle Case: Some of your freedom's been taken away and it's maybe hard to deal with that. They found that depression can manifest itself in seniors in different ways. In some cases, depressive symptoms include waking too early in the morning and inability to experience pleasure or enjoyment and also guilt and feelings of worthlessness. Those are typical depressive symptoms.
Kyle Case: One of the most serious consequences, Derek, of course of depression is suicide. And according to the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, adults 75 years and older have a higher risk for suicide than almost any other age group. If you're experiencing some of those depressive symptoms or if you have a family member, a loved one who is, it's worth talking about and maybe seeing if there's some help available.
Derek Campbell: Yeah. So natural for us as we progress in life and we aren't what we used to be. We can't do the same things that we've done.
Kyle Case: Absolutely.
Derek Campbell: It's easy to get on ourselves and be our own worst enemies.
Kyle Case: And the great thing is, is that there is help, but reach out to a healthcare professional or some trusted health care individual that might be able to give you a point in the right direction.
Kyle Case: And the next one that I want to talk about is one that comes up regularly when we talk about mental health and seniors and that is dementia. You've heard of that one?
Derek Campbell: Yeah. I got to live with grandma, not in the same home, but we help take care of her for over 20 years with Alzheimer's, which is dementia's neighbor and ...
Kyle Case: Yeah absolutely. It's definitely one that we are aware of and are concerned about, especially in the senior population. They estimate that about 5 million adults over the age of 65 have dementia in the United States. That's according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. I think most of us are familiar with the idea that dementia can result in cognitive impairment and memory problems. That's what we're familiar with, that's what we know about dementia.
Kyle Case: Warning signs and symptoms of dementia could vary from person to person, but some common signs include changes to cognitive function and that includes things like confusion, memory loss, disorientation, loss of motor functions, signs might also include difficulty performing common tasks such as reasoning, communicating, organizing, planning.
Kyle Case: A study showed that interventions for Alzheimer's and other forms of dementia may include simple things like regular exercise, a diet low in saturated fats, and then perhaps maybe most interesting adequate sleep. They have really connected sleep and dementia and Alzheimer's very, very strongly. Sleep's important.
Kyle Case: Mental stimulation through socialization activities and memory prompts like calendars, photographs or music are also important factors when you're dealing with dementia.
Derek Campbell: I remember my Grandpa, he didn't know what the cure was obviously, but he felt like every cure was an option.
Kyle Case: So he tried them all.
Derek Campbell: He tried them all. And grandma, she did pretty darn well for what her state, and we did crossword puzzles every day, vitamins, every vitamin he could find. Anyway, pretty good health for the state she was in.
Kyle Case: Well, that's fantastic. Both of my grandmothers actually experienced dementia and Alzheimer's as well. My grandma on my dad's side, she was just healthy as could be, but her mind had just fled, and she just spent 20 years really just not knowing who you were or who she was or what was going on, but she was healthy and she, for the most part, was pretty happy as well, which was good to see.
Kyle Case: My grandma on my mom's side, she kind of dipped into Alzheimer's really pretty quickly and after a couple of years it eventually took her. Anyway, it's just interesting how it affects people in different ways.
Kyle Case: The last one I want to talk about really quickly then I want to get to our guests is sleep disorders. I just mentioned the strong connection between dementia and cognitive decline and sleep. Unfortunately, sleep disorders are very common in seniors. Also, unfortunately, sleep issues are often minimized and they're not prioritized by treating professionals. There's a mistaken belief that seniors just tend to be less active and so they require less sleep. But that's really not true. During sleep, the brain performs essential maintenance and repair functions that protect cognitive performance and it also repairs organs and metabolic systems that regulate blood sugar, blood pressure, the digestive process, and cardiac functioning.
Kyle Case: The loss of restorative sleep is now known to be a causative factor in many conditions including hypertension, diabetes, dementia, as we just mentioned, Alzheimer's as well. Depression and anxiety. Derek gets your sleep.
Derek Campbell: Yes.
Kyle Case: It's important.
Derek Campbell: Yes.
Kyle Case: Will you please make sure that you get your sleep?
Derek Campbell: I surely will do my best, as soon as we're done I'll go home and take a nap.
Kyle Case: Take a quick little nap. Awesome. Today's guest is Cade Archibald. He's the co-founder of East-West Health in St George, Utah. East-West health has been around for about 15 years with four locations throughout the state. Their goal is to merge some of the best eastern medications and treatments with innovative western research as well. Cade, welcome to the show.
Cade Archibald: Hi. Thanks for having me. Really excited to be here.
Kyle Case: Oh, we're excited to visit with you and learn a little bit about some of the treatments that are available for people, even some of the alternative treatments that may be most people consider an alternative, maybe they are mainstream to you.
Cade Archibald: Yeah. And that's what it's always funny is you get referred to as alternative medicine or different things. And I think it's more, it's actually becoming more mainstream, but also if you look at history historically it's actually a lot more-
Kyle Case: Western medicine is kind of the [inaudible 00:09:18] if you look at history. Right? Well, awesome. Well, we're glad that you're here. Tell us just a little bit about that concept of East-West and how does that work from a holistic approach to health and wellness?
Cade Archibald: Yeah, East-West, we have medical doctors, nurse practitioners, PAs on the Western medicine side. And then we also have chiropractors that are kind of in that middle ground. And we also have acupuncturists and health coaches. What we do is we just really merge the best of those worlds in cutting edge treatments. We're working with stem cells, different, products, different regenerative medicine as well as some of the ancient basic herbs and nutrition and then acupuncture and chiropractic. Really cool ways to get people back to the life that they want to live with their health.
Kyle Case: Awesome. I think in maybe in full disclosure, the way that Cade and I met is I went to your grand opening, a ribbon cutting for your new location and you actually, not you personally, but you had one of your practitioners did, what's the needle?
Cade Archibald: Acupuncture.
Kyle Case: Acupuncture thank you. I was trying [inaudible 00:10:38] there. Acupuncture on my neck. I've had a sore neck for years. It was an old wrestling injury and I've never done acupuncture before, but was very open to the idea, to the concept and I got to say it helped.
Cade Archibald: Really. Right.
Kyle Case: I'm definitely planning on coming back just because for the first time in a very long time I felt something different. And I feel like I need some more treatments. I don't feel like anybody should expect a one time fix as a five-year problem. But it was really cool. It was really cool and it was interesting.
Cade Archibald: And did it hurt?
Kyle Case: I will say that it didn't hurt, but there was kind of a burning sensation.
Cade Archibald: You got a little, a tingle.
Kyle Case: It wasn't painful or like, "I'll get these things out of me." I wasn't expecting it, I didn't expect to feel the needles going in, which I didn't, I didn't feel the needles going in, but after they'd been in for just a minute, then I felt right around that area.
Cade Archibald: Now there's a sensation.
Kyle Case: But it was not wholly unpleasant. It just was this interesting sensation. But then afterward, like I said, for the first time in a long time, I felt like I could move my neck.
Cade Archibald: That's awesome.
Kyle Case: And that was ultimately the goal.
Cade Archibald: I should have followed up with you a little better [inaudible 00:11:53]
Kyle Case: No, no, as I said, I was super excited that it was a positive thing that happened and I'm looking forward to having a few more treatments to see if we can get a solid permanently. Let's just jump into that, acupuncture it's been around for how long?
Cade Archibald: Thousands of years.
Kyle Case: Yeah a long long time.
Cade Archibald: It's hard to know an exact date on it, but yeah, it's been around for a long time. It's probably one of the oldest standing medicines around. And so really, I think there's a lot of misconception around it of, I think in American terms it's very simplistic. If you look at it scientifically, the easiest way to explain how it works is through increased circulation to different areas. If you think about your blood, it supplies different nutrients, antioxidants, different hormones and so there are certain points in your body if you stimulate those the right way, you'll increase blood flow and blood circulation. Stimulate the right area, increased blood flow. That's going to increase healing abilities. It actually, there's lots of studies on a stem cell proliferation and stem cells now with all the research going on that's a lot of our body heals, is through our own stem cell proliferation. And so increasing those things is really important.
Kyle Case: And acupuncture allows that to happen through additional blood flow.
Cade Archibald: Yeah. Through blood flow. Basic supply and then also just stimulating, if you think about the body's natural reaction. You stick a foreign object, your blood's going to send troops there to figure out what's going on.
Kyle Case: Sure that makes sense.
Cade Archibald: That's really like the simplest way to understand it is through that circulation, there are a lot more underlying things so you acupuncture geeks out there that are listening to this, you're probably like, you're simplifying it way too much. But yeah, it doesn't need to be complex. When you go to an acupuncturist and they're talking about chi and all these different things, it's exciting and a little eccentric, but at the same time, we try to really connect with the people that we're communicating with and make sure they can understand it in their terms, 'cause unless you've gone to acupuncture school or something like that, it's hard to really understand that.
Kyle Case: Well, there's a lot of, as you said, there are thousands of years behind the practice and it's come through so many iterations and whatever. But I appreciate that kind of simplified definition of how it works. To me that makes a lot of sense, you stick a tiny needle in there, the bodies like, "Hey, what is this? I'm going to send my troops over there to figure it out. And while I'm here I'm going to fix your sore neck at the same time." Right?
Cade Archibald: Yeah, exactly.
Kyle Case: Kind of a thing. That's awesome. You're listening to the Huntsman World Senior Games Active Life and we're visiting with Cade Archibald. He's the co-founder of East-West Medicine here in Saint George, Utah. We're talking a little bit about some of the eastern practices as well as some of the western technologies that are available. Again from an overall holistic look at health and wellness. You mentioned stem cells. That's something that we're hearing a lot more about in the news and things. Give us kind of a definition of what is stem cell therapy and when would you be interested in it and just give us an overview of that.
Cade Archibald: Some of this stuff, there's a lot of different applications as far as, the most common use right now is for different joints. More MSK or muscular skeletal problems. If you have joint problems, degeneration in the joint, that's a typical treatment that someone would use. But ultimately, if you think about how our body heals we have these factories of stem cells. When we're born, we're about one in a thousand cells as a stem cell, at least in your bone marrow. And then by the time you're-
Kyle Case: One in the thousands of cells as a stem cell. Wow 'cause there are billions of human cells. So there's a lot of stems, I didn't realize that. That's new to me.
Cade Archibald: That's significant. If you think about a toddler can roll down the stairs and like hop back up and they're fine. By the time you're 80, it's one in 2 million cells as a stem cell. And so that's why the 80-year-old does not hop right back up.
Kyle Case: Is that the reason?
Cade Archibald: Yeah. Your body's ability to heal itself is significantly diminished as you age and as you lose stem cells. And so we're now discovering there are different ways to increase those release rates, increase your body's own ability to have stem cells. Even just having the right nutrition, the right roadmap to health can really increase your body's stem cell counts, which then increases your ability to heal when you get injured or anything like that.
Kyle Case: I just want to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying. When we're babies, we have a ton of these stem cells.
Cade Archibald: Oh yeah.
Kyle Case: As we get older, we lose them. Does our body lose the ability to manufacture them?
Cade Archibald: Yeah.
Kyle Case: Is that kind of what's happening?
Cade Archibald: Yeah. Ultimately your body just does not have that. As that aging process happens, as it gets exposed to more and more-
Kyle Case: Toxins. Just a different thing.
Cade Archibald: Toxins, especially in today's world, you step outside regardless of how clean you eat and what you do with your body, you got air pollution's, you got water pollutions, you have anything you get exposed to. Even the foods, the food's probably one of the worst things that we get exposed to is there are so many different things that get added into our foods for preservatives or just what they spray on them. And so that breaks down your cell function and ultimately it reduces your body's ability to create those stem cells.
Kyle Case: And so you're finding that there are certain things that can help kind of jumpstart that creation within your body.
Cade Archibald: Absolutely.
Kyle Case: What are some things that we ought to be looking at?
Cade Archibald: There are some really innovative regenerative treatments out there right now. If you look at some of the basics, even not getting into the stem cell treatments, but we have kind of a five-pillar approach at our office. We look at detoxification in digestive health. Really creating a really good way that you're able to detox and digest your food and absorb those nutrients. We have nutrition hormones, exercise, and brain health. Those are kind of the five foundations that we've found to be really important to increase your overall health as well as, whether that's with stem cells or just having better health. And so with treatment wise, most common thing if someone's faced with a joint replacement, something like that, it's an amazing alternative that we've been able to help a lot of people avoid.
Cade Archibald: Knee replacements or shoulder replacements or different joint replacements because those cells, from an external source, can actually increase that stem cell proliferation in that specific area. Say for a knee will inject into that knee, and you'll see some different tissue increase, cartridge increase. You'll see some really amazing things happen.
Kyle Case: That was my next question, is your body has the ability to generate stem cells. We lose that as we get older, but there is an external type of treatment. That that is an injection.
Cade Archibald: Yeah. It can be an injection. The interesting thing about it, there's a misconception, there are three different ways you can derive stem cells first of all. You can get it from yourself so you can get bone marrow. We can tap into your hip, get bone marrow. We can also do it through adipose. That's like my most intriguing, exciting one if you think about it.
Kyle Case: It's got tissue right?
Cade Archibald: It's got a tissue. I'm going to get some liposuction. I'm going to have washboard abs.
Kyle Case: Yeah for sure.
Cade Archibald: I'll just fix my knees and my shoulders, any injuries. It's not that perfect but-
Kyle Case: I've actually read an article on some of the exciting findings that they're finding that you can use that fat.
Cade Archibald: What we've found to be the most effective, just because with our demographics down here, most of our patients and clients are around 55 plus. And so our own stem cells at that age are just significantly depleted. Their proliferation abilities less than slower, you can get it through perinatal tissue is the other one that comes from C-sections birth. You guys know what they do with a C-sections, with like the birth tissue after C-sections typically.
Kyle Case: I'm assuming that is disposed of.
Cade Archibald: It's disposed of exactly.
Kyle Case: Yeah.
Cade Archibald: But there's actually, in the umbilical cord, the cord blood or the placenta. There's a vast amount of stem cells. It was just a human making factory.
Kyle Case: Well that makes sense right?
Cade Archibald: Yeah. There's a significant amount of regenerative cells in that, not just stem cells, but there's different proteins, TREM2 protein, it helps with an anti-inflammatory. I was actually just reading, we have a longevity program that we put together with stem cells in different modalities. But there's one on aging frailty. A study that was done, they took stem cells, they looked at what was in there. So TREM2 protein was probably one of the main things that they found that could decrease your TNF Alpha, which is an inflammatory marker, CRP would be another kind of comparable but really helped to reduce that aging process or that inflammatory process in the body. They saw this aging frailty was the study and so they saw walking improvements, cognition improvements, a lot of amazing improvements there.
Kyle Case: That is amazing. That is amazing. We've got about a minute and a half left. I want to talk about one other thing that I find very intriguing that you might know a little something about and that's hyperbaric.
Cade Archibald: Oh yeah.
Kyle Case: Talk just for a minute about what that is. And again, when would you look for a hyperbaric treatment?
Cade Archibald: It's a great treatment that can, you change the atmospheric pressure and then you're breathing in like perfect oxygen, very clean oxygen, a lot of times how our body heals and that can actually, that's another thing that's been shown to increase stem cell proliferation. Also, it's a great addition with a stem cell treatment. And so really cool treatment modality, there are quite a few different places around town that will have those hyperbaric chambers. Usually, we'll recommend if someone gets a stem cell treatment, get that done. It's great. It just gets your body in a better state to heal.
Kyle Case: And for those that are outside of our area, we have listeners that are from outside the area. They can find these in their community as well.
Cade Archibald: Typically you google something like that, if you're interested in more the stem cell treatments, we have a national network that we work with stemcellhealthcenters.com. You can go there. There's a lot of research articles and different info on that as well.
Kyle Case: Awesome. That website one more time.
Cade Archibald: That's stemcellhealthcenters.com and that's if you're outside of Utah. If you're in, I just go directly to the East-West site. That's ACU. That's A-C-U eastwest.com.
Kyle Case: Awesome. Cade thank you so much for joining us today.
Cade Archibald: Yeah, thanks for having me. This is a great time.
Kyle Case: Appreciate your expertise. No question that there were some interesting things that were brought up. Thanks so much. Derek.
Derek Campbell: Yes Kyle.
Kyle Case: Registration for the Huntsman World Senior Games is open and well underway.
Derek Campbell: Oh yeah. It's moving.
Kyle Case: Yeah. We open on the first of March ... Is moving, is definitely moving. In fact, I did just a report this morning. We have over 2,500 registered participants already, which is a lot.
Derek Campbell: Yeah.
Kyle Case: Yeah. We're feeling good about that.
Derek Campbell: That's great.